<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 麻辣杯麵:
<STRONG>我也想說你這麼晚還不睡，還再這邊玩，DTS 結束了，多了一個小時啊！？</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DST完了應該是少一個小時吧？不過我這個人調時差一向是很快的。尤其是有小孩幫忙調。 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Winnipeg是GMT-6嗎？還是-7？
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 飛俠:
<STRONG>請恕我唐突，我想問一下unknown兄，是否一位PC人呢﹖因為似乎unknown兄對Windows平台非常熟識 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
當然在這裡是非常歡迎所有PC人，Mac人，Unix, Linix, BeOS ....主流，非主流的「電腦人」的！ [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
為什麼要認自已是屬於什麼電腦的人呢？ [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]電腦是用來給人用的，不是人被用電腦來分類的。用Mac的人不是最崇尚反1984老大哥科技操控人類的精神嗎？ [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
再者，很懂PC的人不見得只用PC。我每天用Mac的時間不見得比用PC少。只是用PC能幫我做好的事愈來愈多，Mac（尤其是OS X）卻愈來愈少。
<STRONG>請恕我唐突，我想問一下unknown兄，是否一位PC人呢﹖因為似乎unknown兄對Windows平台非常熟識 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
當然在這裡是非常歡迎所有PC人，Mac人，Unix, Linix, BeOS ....主流，非主流的「電腦人」的！ [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
為什麼要認自已是屬於什麼電腦的人呢？ [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]電腦是用來給人用的，不是人被用電腦來分類的。用Mac的人不是最崇尚反1984老大哥科技操控人類的精神嗎？ [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
再者，很懂PC的人不見得只用PC。我每天用Mac的時間不見得比用PC少。只是用PC能幫我做好的事愈來愈多，Mac（尤其是OS X）卻愈來愈少。
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 The Real Unknown:
<STRONG>再者，很懂PC的人不見得只用PC。我每天用Mac的時間不見得比用PC少。只是用PC能幫我做好的事愈來愈多，Mac（尤其是OS X）卻愈來愈少。</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
平衡報導一下：我自從由 Mac OS 9.1 轉到 Mac OS X 10.1 之後，發現 Mac OS X 10.1 能幫我做 Mac OS 9.1 根本沒法子做的事越來多，除了沒有堪用的中文輸入法之外，我一點也不懷念 Mac OS 9.1。
<STRONG>再者，很懂PC的人不見得只用PC。我每天用Mac的時間不見得比用PC少。只是用PC能幫我做好的事愈來愈多，Mac（尤其是OS X）卻愈來愈少。</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
平衡報導一下：我自從由 Mac OS 9.1 轉到 Mac OS X 10.1 之後，發現 Mac OS X 10.1 能幫我做 Mac OS 9.1 根本沒法子做的事越來多，除了沒有堪用的中文輸入法之外，我一點也不懷念 Mac OS 9.1。
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 麻辣杯麵:
<STRONG>是 GMT -6
因為那天我忘記 DTS 結束了，起床了之後又再回去補了一個鐘頭的眠，所以才會覺得多了一個小時 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
杯麵兄是不是最近忙著玩音響？一直把DST寫成DTS。 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
<STRONG>是 GMT -6
因為那天我忘記 DTS 結束了，起床了之後又再回去補了一個鐘頭的眠，所以才會覺得多了一個小時 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
杯麵兄是不是最近忙著玩音響？一直把DST寫成DTS。 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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The Real Unknown...
Just curious... When you claim that you can do less and less with OS X and more and more with XP, what do you exactly mean?
Like do stuff in OS X natively??? Do you not count the Classic enviornment in OS X???
Just curious... I do admit that OS X is not complete in the sense that many things are not working natively yet (3rd party and Apple programs), but for my personal everyday use, I'm very happy.
Just waiting for CLK, MS Office, and a final version of Toast would be nice. I don't know what else I'd need...
Anyway, I've used XP, but not extensively enough to make any judgement, and that's why I'm not going to make any judgement. If it's what people claim it is (crashes much less and stuff like that), I guess it's a nice product.
Meanwhile, I will still use my Mac as my main machine. In the end, we're using computers, so we can be productive. I see no point of claiming which OS is better from the standpoint of technology as a consumer. Because an average Joe doesn't care about what's underneath the hood, but he does care about whether or not it's easy to use or learn to use, and if it'll help him to get his work done fast...
However, I guess for techies, it is necessary to discuss the underworkings for OS's... I don't know... Not a techie myself, even though CS is one of my majors... (Let the record show, I HATE CS!!!)
The Real Unknown, could you enlighten us Mac bigots with your knowledge of XP and OS X??? Like the anti-tobacco campaign in the US, show people the facts, so we could all make our own judgements... Thank you...
fuigo
Just curious... When you claim that you can do less and less with OS X and more and more with XP, what do you exactly mean?
Like do stuff in OS X natively??? Do you not count the Classic enviornment in OS X???
Just curious... I do admit that OS X is not complete in the sense that many things are not working natively yet (3rd party and Apple programs), but for my personal everyday use, I'm very happy.
Just waiting for CLK, MS Office, and a final version of Toast would be nice. I don't know what else I'd need...
Anyway, I've used XP, but not extensively enough to make any judgement, and that's why I'm not going to make any judgement. If it's what people claim it is (crashes much less and stuff like that), I guess it's a nice product.
Meanwhile, I will still use my Mac as my main machine. In the end, we're using computers, so we can be productive. I see no point of claiming which OS is better from the standpoint of technology as a consumer. Because an average Joe doesn't care about what's underneath the hood, but he does care about whether or not it's easy to use or learn to use, and if it'll help him to get his work done fast...
However, I guess for techies, it is necessary to discuss the underworkings for OS's... I don't know... Not a techie myself, even though CS is one of my majors... (Let the record show, I HATE CS!!!)
The Real Unknown, could you enlighten us Mac bigots with your knowledge of XP and OS X??? Like the anti-tobacco campaign in the US, show people the facts, so we could all make our own judgements... Thank you...
fuigo
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fuigo的文章太長了。我就不引了。（OT: 我老是把fuigo念成Field Goal。最近football看太多了... [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]）
最重要的事實先說明：我提Windows XP不是為了提倡使用它，而是為了舉個Preview可以做成什麼樣子的例子。
至於 OS X，如果什麼事都可以在Classic下做好（甚至只能在Classic下做）那幹嘛這麼麻煩去用OS X？何況還有很多原來OS 8/9可以做的事，OS X + Classic 都做不到。像我有一片該死的 ATI XCLAIM VR128上的TV Tuner根本形同廢物。Real Player和MS Media Player也不知道在那裡。LS120 format出來的軟碟片用OS 8/9的Mac不能讀，因為OS X 把它當硬碟寫。
其實我工作上的工具90%都有OS X版了。可是我用Mac十幾年，從來沒有像今天這樣除了工作其它事都不能做，連堪用的email程式都沒有。現在除了上班的正經作工外，用Mac都是在幫一些軟體找蟲，一點樂趣都沒有。
用Windows XP也不見得有什麼樂趣。不過我用它來做的聞事倒是還勝任愉快。像這個話題說的整理數位相機的照片，家用DV的編輯，管理編寫網站，都比之前的98，Me，甚至2000要好用得多。
可是對我最重要的一點是：Windows上可以玩的Game比Mac多太多了。當初在考慮買新電腦的時候，就是這一點讓我在經過了快十年家裡只有Mac之後去自己拼了一台PC。
另外，能跑Windows XP的電腦比能跑OS X的便宜很多。像我的PC四個月前從650MHz昇級成1GHz，只花了$97。
PS. 我在 OS X下扁猴子，怎樣都甩不出我在PC上甩出來的高速。奇怪。 [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
最重要的事實先說明：我提Windows XP不是為了提倡使用它，而是為了舉個Preview可以做成什麼樣子的例子。
至於 OS X，如果什麼事都可以在Classic下做好（甚至只能在Classic下做）那幹嘛這麼麻煩去用OS X？何況還有很多原來OS 8/9可以做的事，OS X + Classic 都做不到。像我有一片該死的 ATI XCLAIM VR128上的TV Tuner根本形同廢物。Real Player和MS Media Player也不知道在那裡。LS120 format出來的軟碟片用OS 8/9的Mac不能讀，因為OS X 把它當硬碟寫。
其實我工作上的工具90%都有OS X版了。可是我用Mac十幾年，從來沒有像今天這樣除了工作其它事都不能做，連堪用的email程式都沒有。現在除了上班的正經作工外，用Mac都是在幫一些軟體找蟲，一點樂趣都沒有。
用Windows XP也不見得有什麼樂趣。不過我用它來做的聞事倒是還勝任愉快。像這個話題說的整理數位相機的照片，家用DV的編輯，管理編寫網站，都比之前的98，Me，甚至2000要好用得多。
可是對我最重要的一點是：Windows上可以玩的Game比Mac多太多了。當初在考慮買新電腦的時候，就是這一點讓我在經過了快十年家裡只有Mac之後去自己拼了一台PC。
另外，能跑Windows XP的電腦比能跑OS X的便宜很多。像我的PC四個月前從650MHz昇級成1GHz，只花了$97。
PS. 我在 OS X下扁猴子，怎樣都甩不出我在PC上甩出來的高速。奇怪。 [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 The Real Unknown:
<STRONG>我在 OS X下扁猴子，怎樣都甩不出我在PC上甩出來的高速。奇怪。 [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
趕快去 ADC file a bug, 看看他們會有什麼反應 [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
<STRONG>我在 OS X下扁猴子，怎樣都甩不出我在PC上甩出來的高速。奇怪。 [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
趕快去 ADC file a bug, 看看他們會有什麼反應 [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 白萊恩:
<STRONG>趕快去 ADC file a bug, 看看他們會有什麼反應 [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
算了，雷達站最近問題多多。嗯，不知道是不是故意把我block掉...
<STRONG>趕快去 ADC file a bug, 看看他們會有什麼反應 [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
算了，雷達站最近問題多多。嗯，不知道是不是故意把我block掉...
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Can't speak for anyone else... But I've been running OS X for a while already, I stop using OS 9 altogether.
I admit that I restarted into 9 once, because I wanted to burn a VCD of a movie I made with iMovie. That's about it.
Again, it's all up to each individual user. I used to use Photoshop as a graphic designer for a school magazine, but I don't use it no more, so no need for running anything in Classic. I am currently using OS X exclusive on my G4 and am very happy about it.
I do hope that Apple will make OS X better in the future (rumor says that 10.1.1 will be out in a month or so... [url=http://www.macosrumors.com)]www.macosrumors.com)[/url] and I'm pretty sure it will. I do hope that OS X will stand out among the consumer or even professional OS's. I don't think it's weird for me who loves Apple Macintoshes to think in that way. It's like how I am with Mercedes. Hee hee... Gotta love them!
Yeah, there are more game titles for PCs... But I'm not into games anyway. But I do stop by Aztec when I was in Taiwan once a while and play some counter strike. Hee hee... Great game...
Since we're on the topic of games, anyone know anything about that game coming out on OS X??? It's a game about humans and aliens... I'm not talking about WarCraft. I saw a few clips of it, it seems pretty nice...
I am digressing. Anyway, glad to hear that you find a use for your PC and your Mac. As a loyal Mac user, I sincerely hope that you won't give Mac up.
ps. I guess you misunderstood my previous posting. I was also asking for more technical stuff, I guess. Techincal stuff that makes XP a better choice than OS X... Any idea???
pps. I've told a few people about this. Remember some PC users used to make fun of Macs for looking like "toys"??? My first impression of Win XP is that it's more like a Disney product than anything else. And yes, I know you can change the look of it...
ppps. Sorry about my verbose messages... ha ha ha!
fuigo
I admit that I restarted into 9 once, because I wanted to burn a VCD of a movie I made with iMovie. That's about it.
Again, it's all up to each individual user. I used to use Photoshop as a graphic designer for a school magazine, but I don't use it no more, so no need for running anything in Classic. I am currently using OS X exclusive on my G4 and am very happy about it.
I do hope that Apple will make OS X better in the future (rumor says that 10.1.1 will be out in a month or so... [url=http://www.macosrumors.com)]www.macosrumors.com)[/url] and I'm pretty sure it will. I do hope that OS X will stand out among the consumer or even professional OS's. I don't think it's weird for me who loves Apple Macintoshes to think in that way. It's like how I am with Mercedes. Hee hee... Gotta love them!
Yeah, there are more game titles for PCs... But I'm not into games anyway. But I do stop by Aztec when I was in Taiwan once a while and play some counter strike. Hee hee... Great game...
Since we're on the topic of games, anyone know anything about that game coming out on OS X??? It's a game about humans and aliens... I'm not talking about WarCraft. I saw a few clips of it, it seems pretty nice...
I am digressing. Anyway, glad to hear that you find a use for your PC and your Mac. As a loyal Mac user, I sincerely hope that you won't give Mac up.
ps. I guess you misunderstood my previous posting. I was also asking for more technical stuff, I guess. Techincal stuff that makes XP a better choice than OS X... Any idea???
pps. I've told a few people about this. Remember some PC users used to make fun of Macs for looking like "toys"??? My first impression of Win XP is that it's more like a Disney product than anything else. And yes, I know you can change the look of it...
ppps. Sorry about my verbose messages... ha ha ha!
fuigo
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I forgot to respond to several things in The Real Unknow's last message.
As for Real Player and WMP... I know WMP will be out sometime (a beta version is floating around on the web)... Hee hee... Real Player... *sigh*... They don't have a good track record for Mac support... Don't really care about Real Player... If I do really need it to view something, crap, run it in Classic. Big deal. ha ha!
As for prices for Mac systems and PC systems... It's obvious that you can easily assemble a cheap computer on your own, but I want to look at it from the average user's standpoint for now.
First of all, I don't think any average Joe can just assemble a computer easily. Disagree with me, if you want, but I just don't think it's easy enough for grandma's and grandpa's to do something like that. Or a 5 year-old kid. Or average middle-class parents.
Ruling out the possiblity of home building computers, we are left with system packages offered by computer companies.
The following is a great website that I think many people should check out: http://www.aapltalk.com/shootouts/index.html.
Apple Macintoshes are not that expansive comparing to PC systems offered by other brand name companies.
However, if one wants to argue that EVERYONE is able to build a computer EASILY (time is opportunity cost... hee hee... I might be stretching it, but hey...), I guess my conclusion is not sound anymore.
Lastly, I can't stress this point more... Each computer purchase should involve some sort of major decision factor. If you justwant to play games, I am not going to convince you to buy a Mac (even though I do believe that more and more games will come out on OS X). If you just want to do number crunching jobs, I am not going to convince you to buy a Mac.
But if you just want to use a computer for word processing, home digital movies editing, web browsing, email, mp3's, or whatever other everyday simple stuff that we do, I will do my best to convince you to buy a Mac. Because, I do believe that it is easier (subjective, very subjective) to use and learn to operate a Mac than a PC.
fuigo
As for Real Player and WMP... I know WMP will be out sometime (a beta version is floating around on the web)... Hee hee... Real Player... *sigh*... They don't have a good track record for Mac support... Don't really care about Real Player... If I do really need it to view something, crap, run it in Classic. Big deal. ha ha!
As for prices for Mac systems and PC systems... It's obvious that you can easily assemble a cheap computer on your own, but I want to look at it from the average user's standpoint for now.
First of all, I don't think any average Joe can just assemble a computer easily. Disagree with me, if you want, but I just don't think it's easy enough for grandma's and grandpa's to do something like that. Or a 5 year-old kid. Or average middle-class parents.
Ruling out the possiblity of home building computers, we are left with system packages offered by computer companies.
The following is a great website that I think many people should check out: http://www.aapltalk.com/shootouts/index.html.
Apple Macintoshes are not that expansive comparing to PC systems offered by other brand name companies.
However, if one wants to argue that EVERYONE is able to build a computer EASILY (time is opportunity cost... hee hee... I might be stretching it, but hey...), I guess my conclusion is not sound anymore.
Lastly, I can't stress this point more... Each computer purchase should involve some sort of major decision factor. If you justwant to play games, I am not going to convince you to buy a Mac (even though I do believe that more and more games will come out on OS X). If you just want to do number crunching jobs, I am not going to convince you to buy a Mac.
But if you just want to use a computer for word processing, home digital movies editing, web browsing, email, mp3's, or whatever other everyday simple stuff that we do, I will do my best to convince you to buy a Mac. Because, I do believe that it is easier (subjective, very subjective) to use and learn to operate a Mac than a PC.
fuigo
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="XYZ">quote:</font><HR>原始發信人 Dinoking:
<STRONG>給樓上那位仁兄說OSX下沒有像樣的中文輸人法：不會吧﹖在我的OSX 10.1(5L14)有倉頡 簡易 拼音 注音 大易 大五碼 密碼 輸入法！</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
唉... 有沒有輸入法跟堪用與否沒有絕對的關係。
<STRONG>給樓上那位仁兄說OSX下沒有像樣的中文輸人法：不會吧﹖在我的OSX 10.1(5L14)有倉頡 簡易 拼音 注音 大易 大五碼 密碼 輸入法！</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
唉... 有沒有輸入法跟堪用與否沒有絕對的關係。